Episode 156
From Slave Catchers to ICE: The Dehumanization Machine at Work
Summary:
I ask white America a hard question in the wake of Minnesota and Oregon and connect the dots from ICE culture to paramilitary “normalization,” to what it means for all of us now.
I open on a street-level exchange with an ICE agent—“have you not learned your lesson?”—and spell out the message: instill fear, force people home, and keep the ethnic-cleansing apparatus moving. From there, I trace the lineage from slave catchers and the KKK to today’s masked squads; bring in former senior Border Patrol agent Jenn Budd on institutional dehumanization; break down the Minnesota killing of Renee Nicole Goode and the misuse of “deadly force” justifications; and highlight warnings from historian Tim Snyder, public historian Tad Stoermer, and Jesse Ventura about what happens when paramilitaries become the norm. The question to white America: Are we getting it yet—and what are we going to do?
Chapters:
00:00 — The Question & The Street Encounter
04:00 — The Lineage of Force
08:00 — Minnesota, Frame by Frame
12:00 — The Machine Responds
16:00 — Paramilitaries = No Guardrails
20:00 — History’s Pattern, Not a Fluke
24:00 — Now What?
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Transcript
Peaceful Protester : Shame on you.
ICE Goon: Listen, have y'all not learned from the past couple of days? Have you not learned?
Peaceful Protester : Learned what? What's our lesson here? What do you want us to learn
ICE Goon: following federal agents?
Dr. Jim: if it wasn't clear what was behind that exchange, let me break it down for you. A protestor asked an ice goon how they can live with themselves. And you know what the ice goon said?
The ice goon asked the protestor, have you not learned your lesson from the last couple of days? So let's think about that. What's happened in the last couple of days?
What we have seen in the last couple of days is the death squad engaging in state sanctioned murder and state sanctioned violence against peaceful citizens.
he courage of not having his [:now when we take inventory of that message, we also need to understand what are the roots of that message ? that's coming forward? To easily understand where that message comes from. You can draw a straight line from these masked morons in the street, terrorizing brown and black people for the most part, and draw a straight line back to the K, k, K, back to the slave catchers and back to the pre-revolution era where anybody that wasn't a white male was seen as collateral damage and resources to be used and spent and [00:02:00] expended.
That is the line. That you are seeing. And what's interesting is that white America, and particularly the non-elite white Americans, thought they would be spared of the eventual attention that they are getting because of their skin color. What's changed now is that the mask is off. The Wealthy Elite have played this game where they've pitted.
Poor white America or middle class white America against everybody else. The reason why white America isn't getting ahead is because brown and black people were stealing their opportunities when the entire time it was the billionaire and millionaire class that was taking and robbing from everybody's inheritances.
naires and the wannabe Nazis [:So let's understand the pathology of what we are seeing within ICE and DHS.
Jenn Budd : I felt like a Nazi border patrol agents, they hunt human beings, and that's just the fact.
Reporter : This is Jen Budd, a former senior border patrol agent. For years, she was stationed in this mountainous region along the US Mexico border, capturing migrants who had just crossed
Jenn Budd : border Patrol has always been a racist institution.
It's so steeped in racism and white supremacy and rape culture and brutality. If you train border patrol agents to see migrants as humans, then. They would not be able to arrest the families and they would not be able to put them in these small cells. You have to see yourself as different, whether they're alive or dead.
We call them bodies. We don't call them. People, we don't call them human beings, and the people that are crossing this border are tonks. They're less than
Reporter : what is a tonk?
dd : It's the sound that the [:Reporter : That's terminology that Border patrol uses.
Jenn Budd : Absolutely, a hundred percent.
Reporter : Do you think you partook in dehumanizing migrants?
Jenn Budd : Absolutely I did. I need to stand up and I need to be on the right side of history.
Dr. Jim: What you just heard is a conversation with Jen Budd and what you understand after listening to that is that that is the culture of the organization. The culture of the organization is rooted in dehumanization. Anybody that isn't white is seen as subhuman and is treated accordingly.
And when you understand that.
or subservient to the white [:And you just heard Jen Budd, who was a senior DHS officer, say exactly that. The culture of that organization and the culture of these organizations is rooted in the idea that anyone who is not white is an animal and should be treated worse than livestock, and you're seeing it out in the streets
ractice? When we look back at:Massed vigilantes in the street. We saw a collective shrug.
those protests, people were [:We weren't taking this seriously, and the black community has been warning us about this for decades, and it's gone largely ignored.
And then Minnesota happened and maybe just maybe Minnesota and Oregon signal a shift in mindset and maybe what happened in Minnesota and Oregon finally gets people to wake up and finally gets white America to wake up.
ize is that you aren't gonna [:the facts.
Of this event are clear and there are plenty of videos out there that show you what happened. In Minnesota, what you saw was Renee, Nicole. Good. Get exterminated by Jonathan Ross. So what happened immediately before? He exterminated Renee Michel. Good. What you see from his cell phone video and multiple angles is that he circled the vehicle and as he passed by the driver's seat.
Renee. Good. Was trying to deescalate the situation. She said, I'm not mad at you. And he continued to walk around recording on his cell phone. And then he was met by Renee Goode's wife, who heckled him, but again, was not being aggressive. And he continues to circle around the vehicle. And then you see him switch hands and his phone goes from his right hand to his left hand.
And as Renee. Good [:Her foot goes down on the accelerator and she runs down the road and crashes into another car. That was a state sanctioned execution by the Trump regime's Nazi death squad, parading the streets. there's a few things to keep in mind when we take inventory of that event.
One. Supposedly exculpatory evidence of his cell phone video actually shows multiple instances where he broke the rules that DHS has set.
s cell phone. That is not in [:When you're looking at an instance or a justification for the use of deadly force, the person who is using deadly force has to prove the three elements of the threat triangle. He has to prove capability. He has to prove opportunity, and he has to prove intent. So certainly she was behind the wheel of a car, so she is capable of inflicting, grievous bodily harm.
Does she have the opportunity? She's in a car and she could theoretically run him over. So she has the theoretical capability of inflicting, grievous bodily harm, but does she have the intent?
leave. You saw her prior to [:And then you have multiple masked, goons, swarm, the car, yelling, all sorts of things. She backs up, she turns the wheel to clear the person that is somewhat in front of her and before she knows it, she's dead behind the wheel after being fired at by the ice goon. So intent is not there, but there's another element of that sequence of events that we need to be aware of. Make no mistake about it. This is a state sanctioned murder and they're trying to gaslight and make everybody think that it's something other than what it was. And they're trying to say that she tried to run him over.
t the narrative that they're [:But here's where it gets interesting, that narrative that they're trying to present, that he was run over. That doesn't excuse him from being able to use deadly force either because DHS policy says because this was such a rampant issue of DHS and ICE officials throwing themselves in into the lane of moving vehicles to justify the use of deadly force, they had a policy saying that that is not a proper use, proper justification for the use of deadly force.
So he's breaking multiple policies and this is somebody that was already involved in other incidents. Earlier this year. So this is a pattern of behavior that this person has
are loyalists to this regime [:Because this is a death squad that is being built and deployed before our eyes. And the quicker we use the real words to describe what we're seeing. And the quicker we understand that that is the reality, that we're in the better equipped we will be to mount the appropriate resistance.
after taking inventory of all of that, what's been the response from the usual suspects?
Couch Defiling Fake Hillbilly: The precedent here is very simple. You have a federal law enforcement official engaging in federal law enforcement action. That's a federal issue. That guy is protected by absolute immunity. He was doing his job. The idea that Tim Wal and a bunch of radicals in Minneapolis are gonna go after and make this guy's life miserable because he was doing the job that he was asked to do is preposterous.
masks and guns and holding a [:That is it. The entire Trump regime from the top down are a group of domestic terrorists, and they have their paramilitary death squads roaming the streets, trying to execute and exterminate as many people as possible. That is the reality of what we're seeing
and what's interesting about the MAGA response.
For whatever it's worth is that these toothless brainless, morons are laughing about it and saying, FFO, and these are the same people who said, George Floyd should have complied that Ashley Babbitt was a patriot, and Charlie Kirk was the second coming. That is how unhinged and detached from reality that these idiot people are.
essary in the post-Civil War [:The people in the streets wearing red hats, the people in the streets with masks and guns and no identification and badges. They're the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of the Confederacy and the Nazis. That is what we're seeing.
Our Inability to break out of politeness and do what is necessary is what got us here today. And the public execution that we witness in Minnesota might be the thing that finally breaks the white majority out of their politeness. Politics. This might be the thing that finally wakes them up and makes them understand that this is coming for you as well.
ying that goes to the effect [:That if they kept their heads down, that they would be spared. And before you know it, they are passive participants in history and complicit in the atrocities That follow. So the question that I have for white America is. Are you going to repeat that trend? Are you gonna be passive participants in the history that's unfolding in front of you?
Because if you are, you are complicit in the atrocities that have already happened, and you're complicit in enabling the atrocities to come. So what side of history do you want to be on? Because the longer you wait and the longer you delay to do what is necessary. The worst, the outcome is gonna be.
t what happened in Minnesota [:and in chapter six he talks about be wary of paramilitaries.
And to paraphrase, he says that when you see paramilitary forces in the streets on patrol doing the things that law enforcement does, you need to come to the realization that whatever you understood democracy to be is over. Now think about that. During the first go around and what we saw and compare it to what we're seeing today, what we're seeing today is far worse than what we imagined in the first go around, and it's operating with no guardrails whatsoever.
some sort of trigger that's [:And one of the things that we need to understand, and recognize, is that right now we are in a scenario and in a time where we are dealing with abusive authority. Tad Dermer public historian at the University of Southern Denmark says it best. Listen to this and I'll be right back.
Tad Stoermer: What we saw happen yesterday in Minneapolis. What we all can see is a stark reminder of something I try to impress on my students. All meaningful change in American history has come with a body count. The bodies of those who are victims of abuse, of authority, and those who fought to end it. ' cause the awful truth about resistance is that abusive authority does not stop.
y, providing the energy, the [:And now she's dead. And the people who killed her are calling her a terrorist. They always do. Every regime that has ever done this calls the people it kills terrorists, criminals, enemies of the state. Think about that in this regime's eyes. She was an enemy of the state, a prize-winning poet, a mother, a wife, an American.
An enemy of the state, a terrorist, when they're saying that they're telling you everything about who they are and what they intend to do, believe them all. Meaningful change in American history has come with a body count.
Dr. Jim: So, what Tad Sterner said is that once we recognize that we are dealing with an abusive authority.
to one thing and that is an [:The lesson of Minnesota. Is that if you are defending your friends and neighbors against injustice and against the paramilitary death squad that is patrolling, you are a target as well. And when you have JD Vance take a break from defiling every couch that he sees to say that every ice agent and every DHS agent has absolute immunity, that tells you that the regime is going to push an initiative.
To see how far they can exterminate the population as a means to centralize control. They are telegraphing what they plan to do.
Now, when you factor all of that in, we have to apply grade school rules. And what are grade school rules when you're dealing with a bully that will not listen to reason and will not back down the best way to deal with them.
Is to punch back [:Bishop Rob Hirschfeld - Episcopal Diocese of NY: They have told the clergy of the Episcopal Diocese of New Hampshire that we may be entering into that same witness, and I've asked them to get their affairs in order. To make sure they have their wills written, because it may be that now is no longer the time for statements, but for us, with our bodies to stand between the powers of this world and the most vulnerable.
u need to listen to what the [:The regime said that it won't be long before we are starting door to door patrols.
What does that sound like? There are going to go door to door to check on your papers. Is that the world that you wanna live in? Do you think the midterms are gonna save you from that? Do you think you can afford to wait till the midterms to save you from?
That is a strongly worded letter going to prevent that. What needs to happen is that there needs to be a collective response that says, this shall not move forward.
And for those of you who are afraid are thinking, what can we do?
Now there's gonna be a group of people that are gonna be arguing, well, we can't do that because that's gonna give the regime what they want, and they can declare martial law. Let's look at the reality of what that means.
million [:Now keep in mind. The total number of those armed forces needs to be a hundred percent on board with turning their sites on the citizens. So is that likely? And even if it is, you're still looking at roughly what, 50, a hundred million people that are gonna be absolutely opposed to doing anything like that and everybody else is gonna duck and cover in their houses.
Do you think that that is feasible? And if you do, let's walk through history and understand how the US military has failed in recent and not so recent history when it comes to taking over a country and pacifying it, how did Vietnam work out overwhelming military numbers and it was a failure.
sh era workout, overwhelming [:That's not what we're talking about.
What we're talking about is how reasonable is it to expect that this orange idiot and his moron minions are gonna declare martial law and the American people are gonna say, okay, sign us up. How did that work out when it came to the COVID era?
Did we listen and, and pay attention to what was going on and listen to edicts coming from DC and you think that's gonna happen in a, future where martial law is declared? I'm skeptical of that.
ling with abusive authority, [:That gets them to stop their abuse. It is just like what you experienced in grade school when dealing with a bully. And for those unfortunately who have had experience with domestic violence, proportionate and responsive violence is the only thing that gets violence that's being done to you to stop.
That's the lesson that we need to take away from it.
One of the other lessons that we need to understand. Is that whatever mythology that we've wrapped our heads around about the US being this first world powerhouse, we need to set that aside. We're a third world country, and that's just me saying it.
Listen to this.
was playing golf. Right? You [:I was in the Philippines the day Ferdinand Marcos declared martial law and went under dictatorship. We went from nobody to a guy with a machine gun on every corner. That's what happens in a dictatorship. In comes the military. That's what's happening here and, and people better wake up to it. You wanna read something than read your history of Germany?
e tactics of what happened in:Dr. Jim: That's Jesse Ventura telling you exactly where we are at this point in history. We claim to be the richest country in the world. We can't heal our sick. We can't feed our hungry, we can't house our homeless.
We don't take care of our veterans, and our solution for everything is pull yourself up by the bootstraps and stop playing victim. We are absolutely a third world country, and the fact that mass goons are running around killing people and carrying out an ethnic cleansing should make that clear in everybody's mind.
ideals and its promises for [:And clearly based on the actions of the Republican party, it is clear that they are not acting in the interest of the American people. They're acting in the interest of the billionaire class who owns them.
We need to understand that the Republican party is unquestionably against the vast majority of American people and we're seeing their hate. For the average American citizen on display in the streets every single day.
So when we take the time to understand. What we are seeing today, we need to look at it through the appropriate lens. We are clearly in an era where the old rules of democracy no longer apply. We are clearly in an era. We're dealing with an abusive authority that is trying to exterminate as many people as they can to consolidate resources in the hands of the 1% and the billionaire class.
nd that the only appropriate [:That is what resistance and resistance through history tells us. Speeches aren't gonna get it done and it's gonna require white America to understand that they are going to get caught up in it too if they don't act and they need to act and lead the way from the front.
And if they don't, that's ballgame
